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Why We Run Two Hive Systems, Not One

Doug · September 2, 2024 · 8 min read

Cedar top-bar hive box

We didn't switch from Langstroth to cedar top-bar. We run both, side by side, and I get asked why constantly enough that it's worth writing down properly.

A Langstroth hive, run well, in the Willamette Valley, produces more honey per season than a top-bar hive of the same colony size. Not a little more — our own numbers put it at 30 to 40 percent more. If honey volume were the only thing that mattered, top-bar wouldn't be in the picture at all.

The first time I cracked open that cedar hive, the smell was so different — floral and almost savory at the same time. I knew right then that however we were keeping those bees was changing the honey.

What's different isn't just the honey's flavor. The top-bar colonies behave differently. Those hives let bees build comb in whatever shape they'd choose in the wild, rather than forcing them onto pre-stamped foundation. Inspections are calmer — less smoke needed, less defensive behavior at the entrance. We've also moved those colonies to weekly mite counts instead of a fixed treatment calendar, treating only when a colony actually crosses threshold — and I don't think that's unrelated to how much less stressed they seem to be.

Why Langstroth still carries the operation

Less honey per top-bar hive, full stop — which is exactly why they don't make up the whole operation. Top-bar combs are also more fragile outside the hive, so those batches can't run through a centrifugal extractor; they're crush-and-strain instead, which is slower and messier, but it's part of why that honey looks and tastes the way it does raw. Running everything that way isn't realistic at our size, so Langstroth carries more of the volume while top-bar does what it's good at.

Will we ever go all top-bar?

Probably not, and I don't think we should. This isn't a hack that gives you more of everything — it's a different relationship with the bees on the colonies where that tradeoff is worth it, running alongside an operation that still needs Langstroth's yield to function. Both sides test just as clean on the lab reports either way.